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The Complete Notes: Feds Talk About Hasan

November 11, 2009 - 5:37 PM | by: Mike Levine

 

The big questions about the Ft. Hood massacre: What did the FBI and others know about Maj. Nidal Hasan, when did they know it, and why didn't they do more?

Investigative officials held a nearly hour-long briefing with reporters on Monday night, trying to answer those very questions. Here is one of the most in-depth and unabridged accounts published to date of the questions asked and answers given at that briefing...

HOW AND WHEN DID AUTHORITIES FIRST LEARN ABOUT HASAN?

The officials said that "we learned of Maj. Hasan last year" as "a result of our investigation" into another individual. (Sources have identified that individual to FOX News as radical cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki, an American citizen with ties to Al-Qaeda who is now believed to be in Yemen.) According to the officials, starting in December last year and going into early this year, Hasan communicated 10 to 20 times with the individual, who one official said "has been espousing some radical views and coming very close to advocating violence." An official said of the communications: "We learned of them when they occurred."

(Sources have since told FOX News that the communications were via email and did not elicit much of a response, if any, from Awlaki.)

HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE HASAN'S COMMUNICATIONS?

"The general tenor of the communications, at least in my mind, were fairly benign and did comport with a research project he was doing that was sanctioned by Walter Reed [Army Medical Center]," one official said. (Hasan was researching Post Traumatic Stress Disorder for his Master's degree during the time he sent communications to Awlaki.) Another official said the communications appeared "consistent entirely with what he was doing as a licensed psychiatrist in dealing with soldiers [or] what he's doing for his Master's work." As for the specific content of the communications, one official would only say that it included "social" topics and "religious guidance."

WHAT DID AUTHORITIES DO AFTER DISCOVERING THE COMMUNICATIONS?

"We did an assessment as to those communications and identified Maj. Hasan," one official said. "And then working through the Joint Terrorism Task Forces, which [Department of Defense] of course is part of, learned who he was and what his background was, where he was assigned, and then did what we would consider a logical [assessment]." One official said the assessment was "of a limited duration," and it included reaching out to the military about Hasan's work. One official said the JTTF looked at: "Who is this person? What are they working on? Any issues with them? Disciplinary matters? All those things just part of due diligence." Hasan's "performance reports were reviewed" but "there was nothing that raised ... a red flag," according to one official. The official said he didn't know whether any of Hasan's colleagues at Walter Reed had filed any reports about Hasan.

When asked whether Hasan himself was ever contacted by the FBI, the officials wouldn't comment, one insisting, "I won't address that."

In the end, one official said, "There was no indication that Maj. Hasan was planning an attack ... at all ... or that he was directed to do anything."

HOW MUCH WAS THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT INVOLVED IN THE ASSESSMENT OF HASAN?

"The Department of Defense is part of the JTTF, so it's a joint [assessment]," one official said. "As part of that assessment there was a lot of work done in terms of his military record, his background, who he was, where he'd come from, you know all those type things." One official insisted, "these again were JTTF [reviews] ... so the decisions were made by JTTF with input from all of the components of that," which would include state and local officials, FBI officials, and Defense Department officials.

One official said the information about Hasan "was handled in at least two" of the 168 JTTFs across the country. That included "DoD representatives who collaboratively did a scrub of: What does this mean? Is there a threat? Is there a basis for opening an investigation?," the official said.

A FORMAL INVESTIGATION WAS NEVER OPENED. WHY NOT?

"What we had was some contact and some communications that wasn't enough to get us into even the preliminary investigation box," one official said. "We didn't have enough for a preliminary investigation."

"We cannot predicate an investigation of a U.S. person ... solely on First Amendment activity," the official said. "So if all you have is First Amendment activity -- so it's protected speech, there's nothing that suggests advocacy of violence, nothing that suggests incitement to violence, nothing about the connection between him and the [individual overseas FBI was investigating] ... then what do you have? In order to open a preliminary investigation we need information or allegations that person is or may be, in this context, a national security threat. And that can't be based solely on protected First Amendment activity."

The official suggested that Hasan's case involved "a communication that doesn't involve advocacy to violence, doesn't involve a threat to violence, and it's just a contact to another person and there's nothing about that contact in and of itself [to make it illegal]."

The officials repeated that point throughout Monday night's briefing.

"In order to open a formal investigation, as those of you who have been to the Attorney General guidelines tutorials know, there is certain predication that has to be met. So we have to have certain information in our possession before we can simply open an investigation. So you could presume that if an investigation wasn't opened, perhaps what we knew didn't rise to that level," one official said.

And then the official said this later: "Recognize that we didn't have an investigation open, and to the extent there were communications that were overtly threatening, that would certainly qualify as predication for an investigation. So draw the logical conclusion from that in terms of what the content of the communications were."

DID WORRIES OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS PLAY A ROLE IN THE LACK OF FURTHER INVESTIGATION INTO HASAN?

At the briefing, one reported asked: "Are you prepared to emphatically bat down the suggestion ... that Mr. Hasan was the recipient of very light treatment because of his religious background?"

One official answer this way: "I don't have any evidence of that, that I'm aware of. I don't know the state of play with interviewes at Walter Reed with his supervisors and co-workers, but I had not heard that allegation [and] I don't have any evidence to back it up."

WHO ELSE WAS KEPT IN THE LOOP ABOUT HASAN?

When asked whether people at Walter Reed or Ft. Hood had been notified about potentially worrisome information concerning Hasan, one official said, "I don't know the specifics of the lines of communication ... I can't answer you specifically, I just don't know."

Asked whether senior officials -- inside and outside of the FBI and JTTF -- had been briefed about Hasan, one official said, "That's part of what our teams are assessing right now ... to look at best practices. I don't have the definitive answer to that right now."

One official said that, generally, "There's a lot of intelligence collection that goes on every day, and if there's a reason that an individual causes more concern, then obviously the higher that gets briefed and gets acted on."

The official continued, "If somebody is in touch with a person that we have an investigative-collection interest in, then if it's a benign conversation ... that's going to be handled in the normal course of business." Asked whether that means the information about the person would not be sent above an FBI field office, the official said, "Typically."

Would the Army usually obtain this type of information from someone on the JTTF? "It has to rise to the level of concern," one official said. "Not necessarily."

DID OFFICIALS KNOW ABOUT TWO KEY MOMENTS -- AND IF NOT, HOW'D THEY MISS THEM?

In August, Hasan bought a pistol at "Guns Galore" in Killeen, Texas. But one official said the FBI didn't know about that at the time. "I'm not aware that we did," the official said.
Officials said that -- while the gun purchase went through an FBI background check, or "Brady gun check" -- there is no legal way to alert others to the purchase. "That's not permissible under the law," one official said.

"When we do a Brady gun check and clear someone to purchase, we're only checking to see if there's an exclusion, if there's some reason why the person is not permitted to purchase a weapon," another official said. "There's a very specific list of exclusions. Simply that someone has come onto the FBI's radar screen at some point is not an exclusion. ... [The FBI employee doing the Brady gun check] can't pick up the phone and call the other side of the FBI and say, 'Oh, by the way, this person who maybe appeared somewhere in your holdings just bought a gun.'"

The officials were pressed on that issue. "Someone that comes to your attentionm, the JTTF, purchases a weapon. Is that not the kind of thing that people that are doing the intelligence assessment are not able to do?" a reporter asked.

An official responded: "Are you asking for an opinion, or what the law is? ... Obviously from an investigator's standpoint, there's all kinds of information like that that we'd like to know."

Separately, officials said that, despite media reports to the contrary, they did not know about a posting online in May that compared suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on grenades. The message was posted by someone named "Nidal Hasan."

But, one official said, "We didn't know about that at the time."

Asked to explain how authorities could miss a posting like that, one official said, "There are a million blogs all throughout the Internet, and the notion that the FBI is omniscient in terms of every blog posting is just wrong."

The official continued: "There seems to be a theory in the press that we knew everything. Recognize that what we've been trying to tell you is that we had heard of Hasan by virtue of connections to an unconnected investigation. We didn't have an investigation open, and we don't just monitor across the board every blog posting that might go up. So draw from that ... whether we would have knowledge of just a random blog posting by someone who we don't have an investigation up on."

Armydad

Who ever the Jew haters are on this blog go Away, and take your hatred of Jewish folks with you. We never ever hear of any jews or christians blowing up themselves just to kill and mame people of non Christian or Jewish faith. The facts are what they are ! All the violence and death of this time is at the hands of those who claim to be of Islamic faith. So the comments about Jews being behind these acts of terrorism is all B.S. Israel is constantly being rocketed by those who claim to be Islamic faith. Thanks to all who have commented about my son's sacrifice in the US Army, my son was a big strong 22 yr old American US Army Sergent. The prayers of a gratfull nation will help him heal.

November 12, 2009 at 7:17 PM
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Leonard Simek

Major Hassan will have his day in court. His actions were pre meditated. Evil acts dont make any sense and its futile to try and figure out why he did what he did. You cant understand an evil act whether it takes live or not. Yes, we have a guarantee of protection under the U S Constitution but when it resorts to a clear and present danger to our society we are compelled to act to prevent erosion of our nation. More should have been done by his superior officers before the incident escalated. How about releasing him from active duty, wouldnt that have made a difference? Every military officer needs to be properly screened as part of a personal reliability program to avoid the same from happening again, after all its an all volunteer force. Major Hassan acts were evil in conception and execution. He tries to cast off his personal responsibility on his own God which is exactly what Adam did in the Garden of Eden. There are consequences and he about to face his demons. Leave the political correctness and psuedo explanation out and what do you have? A murderer and nothing more.

November 12, 2009 at 9:25 AM
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Take Back America

Isn't it interesting how our president won't speak out against the muslim terrorists? I believe in one of his books he writes "if the political winds change i will side with the muslims." Kinda makes you wonder.......God Bless America and The Troops, there are still Americans who believe in this country and we are getting tired of this president and his socialist views.

November 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM
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BRYAN

WHAT DO U THINK LINCON WOULD SAY IF HE WAS STILL ALIVE? I SAY FRY HIS LITTLE ASS :) SOMEONE NEEDS TO OPEN THEIR EYES BEFORE IT TO LATE. THAT LITTLE SAYING FROM OBAMA ( YES WE CAN ) IS THAT SOMETHING HE GOT FROM AL-QAEDA BECAUSE HE DAMN SURE ISNT HELPING THE UNITED STATES AT ALL

November 12, 2009 at 6:51 AM
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Train Driver

He was a muslim and he has been a terrorist ever sense the first time he said he hated America and Say what you want about Christians , whens the last time you heard of a Christian terrorist that killed anyone???? Never in my 29 years!! Wake up and face the facts.

November 12, 2009 at 6:19 AM
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hmmmok

Well, i love how everyone says he was a "muslim terrorist". Cant he just happen to be a very sick man? Who gets to label people as a "terrorist"? Christians have killed many of people over the years, our we Christian terrorists?

November 12, 2009 at 5:08 AM
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Armydad

I too have a son in the US Army. Today my son lies in a hospital after being blown up in Afghanistan. My son will never hear again, never walk again, never have children. His unit lost 29 men KIA in OEF 9 and all our nations news media talks about is how this Hassan fella may or may not have been a terrorist. Our leaders are asleep at the wheel while our children die and suffer, makes me want to puke. After eight years of misery it's time fight to win or get out and wait to battle the Jihad's on our soil, because thier coming over here folks. Don't think we can just end the war and go home...Oh no these animals won't stop, they want the infidel's blood running in the streets of America.

November 12, 2009 at 3:26 AM
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sfirx

We shouldn't have to apologize. If some idiot wants to believe that the Quran says it's okay to murder people they are going to believe it regardless of any apology. I didn't see anyone that belonged to a right wing militia group apologize for McVeigh, so why do minorities feel so compelled to apologize when some idiot who happens to claim the same race, or religion as us, goes out and does something stupid?

November 12, 2009 at 12:47 AM
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carlos

you are racist hassan snap that why he commit this crime if you think that way.ask your self this question???timothy mcveil kill more than hassan than why you didnot say that christainity hate the west.i just wabt to edecated you clean your racist mind ...religion has no place for killing no mather what religion murders are the responssible for the act but not the religion.if you blame islam for this crime than christianity has more blood in our community hispanics blacks and others poor nation

November 12, 2009 at 12:13 AM
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SRM152

It is ultimately impossible to truly know a man’s soul. Few of us infidels know very much about the koran and it is very hard for a Christian to understand the concept of jihad, or killing one’s way into Heaven. For about a century up until WWII the British Empire controlled much of the middle east. Among the many things that resulted from their influence was the white washing of islam, particularly the islamic concept of jihad. This white washing is a lie that allowed some muslims to participate in the various governments that the British established. Today there are many muslims who, at least outwardly practice this form of islam. Some, possibly genuinely others for strictly pragmatic reasons. Go to the top again. Know you now that there is no compunction on any muslims part to be honest with an infidel.

November 12, 2009 at 12:05 AM
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honey williams

I'm a mother of four and grandmother of 7 andI knew imediately why this guy did this. Americans are not stupid-this guy was a muslim terriost and he tried to kill as many as he could. Because he hates America!It wasn't that he was harassed-he was the one who harassed everyone he was around about his religion. It's a shame that the doctors and others that were serving with him didn't tell him where to go and report him to upper authorities. They perhaps could have saved the lives of the Ft Hood people. This needs to be investigated throughly and heads need to roll.Hasin needs to be given the death penalty.I hope our country will wake up and realize that muslims hate the west and hate America. I say "thank you to those who are serving our country" and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

November 11, 2009 at 11:51 PM
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Robb Crocker

Are we not fighting a war with Al-Qaeda? Ft Hood is a legitimate military target for an Al-Qaeda attack, which, apparently, is what occurred. Our military needs to ask themselves how this guy managed to inflitrate the Ft Hood military base and kill our soliders. Everything else is just politics.

November 11, 2009 at 10:58 PM
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Vicki R

Just as Japanese-Americans and Korean-Americans had difficulty fighting against Japanese and Koreans in WWII and the Korean War, so must we assume Muslims have difficulty fighting and killing Muslims throughout the world. While internment camps should not be considered unless necessary, we certainly should consider discharging Muslims from active duty while America fights Jihadists throughout the world. That way, if they engage in Muslim extremist activity in our country, they may be tried and convicted as Muslim Jihadist terrorists without our politicians watering down their actions.

November 11, 2009 at 10:32 PM
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magicbeans

I'm sorry but this explanation is just not good enough. We lost 13 Americans on our soil and saying we didn't know, we couldn't investigate, we thought Awalki and he were just pen pals is just lame. Lets see his record and these emails if they were so damn innocent.

November 11, 2009 at 9:29 PM
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mikejones

It will never stop as long as we keep promoting it and not screening them like we should if the hipanics can come and go as they please dont u think the muslim terrist can?? they hate us and there gonna keep doin this untill we weed then all out of our country.. no other nationality has or is threating our way of life but those of islam.. they should go home. all others come here and prosper they come here and prosper while there planning on killing us,and we do nothing but again look who is leading us after all....cmon he bows to the leader of iran mine as well kissd his a**..

November 11, 2009 at 9:25 PM
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armydad

I agree with you (j. hendrix). I too have a son in the United States Army, stationed at Ft. Hood. He was in the building just kiddy corner to the Theatre across the street from the crime scene. I am disgusted with the Politically Correct numb nuts in this nation. This was avoidable. There was a palithera of evidence/red flags that should have resulted in a thorough investigation. How he was promoted must be investigated. I am fed up with the excuses and P.C. blithering.

November 11, 2009 at 9:15 PM
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armydad

Normally I would not respond to an idiot like ron santelli. ronnie are you suggesting that the EYE WITNESSES, who saw the Islamo-fascist take two hand guns and fire at INNOCENT, American Soldiers didn't actually witness it. The Police officer was really shot by the islamo-fascist and the Police officer didn't really put the Islamo-fascist down with a well placed shot. You must belong to the MSNBC fan club, where your main hero is Chris (the moron) Matthews.. You ronnie, are a complete MORON

November 11, 2009 at 9:01 PM
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DBinNC

I hate that no one saw this coming, but I am very relieved to hear that the FBI is not watching every little thing that every citizen is doing. I am glad that the First Amendment still protects us all.

November 11, 2009 at 8:56 PM
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Usman Zakir

I'm muslim , and i don't live in america. i just want to say that no matter what religion someone follows, violence is never right. let me make it clear that the qur'an does not in anyway promote violence in any form and that it is often quoted out of text , also mr. nidal hasan made a 'contract' with the army and was 'trusted' , we are commanded to fullfill our trusts and promises even with non-muslilms. this person has acted irresponsibly, heniously and its nothing but disgusting, peace to america and all the muslims and non-muslims out there.thanx. peace !

November 11, 2009 at 8:38 PM
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Dean

Great communication by the Feds. It's terribly frustrating, but that's exactly the way it is. No matter what, we will not circumvent the 1st Amendment. It's a tough pill to swallow, but without predication, there is nothing that can be done. What chaps my rear is that the same people that jump up and down about "why the government kept us in the dark," are the same people that moan and complain when they think the Patriot Act is some sort of un-constitutional over watch (those people need to read the dang thing and actually crack open a Constitution).

November 11, 2009 at 8:11 PM
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