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Molly Line

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Maine Voters to Decide Gay Marriage

October 29, 2009 - 12:10 PM | by: Molly Line

Maine is the latest battle ground state facing gay marriage at the polls.
Voters there could be the first-in-the-nation to grant same-sex couples the right to marry via public ballot or join dozens of other states that have done the opposite.
The race is too close to call. Recent polls show voters are equally divided.

The referendum, over whether to repeal Maine's recently passed law legalizing gay marriage, is called Question 1. It represents the opportunity for a landmark victory for proponents of gay marriage and a landmark defeat for those that oppose.

"Thirty states have voted on this issue and have maintained traditional marriage," said Marc Mutty, the Campaign Chair for Stand for Marriage Maine, the political action committee that gathered signatures to get the repeal placed on the ballot. Mutty is urging people to "Vote Yes on 1" to repeal the new law legalizing gay marriage. He believes the Maine battle is a particularly significant to both sides.
"It's important to them to break that cycle and it's important to us to maintain our record," said Mutty.

In recent years, however, the legal landscape has changed dramatically. The surrounding New England states, Vermont, Connecticut and New Hampshire, have legalized gay marriage. Massachusetts was the first to do so in 2004.

"I think that there have been some attitudes that have shifted here in our state over the past several years," said Jesse Connolly, campaign manager for "No on 1"- Protect Maine Equality, the political action committee dedicated to upholding Maine's new same-sex marriage law.

Question 1 mirrors the contentious battle that embroiled activists during California's contentious Proposition 8 fight. The airwaves are blanketed with ads, money is pouring in from out-of-state sources trying to influence the outcome.

Proponents of gay marriage have brought in more than 4 million dollars, half from out-of-state supporters. Opponents say they've raised nearly 2.5 million, including hundreds of thousands from the Catholic Church.

Political Science Professor Mark Brewer of the University of Maine says both sides have a lot riding on Question 1.

"Yes, we've had courts create the right of same-sex marriage. We've had legislatures create that, we've had governor's sign off on it but, this really is an opportunity for the people to ratify that," said Brewer.

"Opponents of same-sex marriage seemingly had the upper hand- the tide seems to have turned against them over the last 12 to 18 months and in some ways this could be a chance for them to stop the bleeding a little bit and to try and gain some ground back."

At Becky's Diner on Portland's picturesque waterfront voters share their thoughts over eggs and hash.

"I feel everyone is entitled to their dignity and equal rights." Carolyn Vetro said, holding a steaming cup of coffee. She's already voted "No on Question 1"- to uphold the new marriage law- via absentee ballot.

Just a few booths away Betty Amoroso says she's voting "Yes"- to repeal the new law.
"I'm Catholic," she explains. "One man and one woman is the way it should be."

With a race this tight, organizers on both sides know the outcome rests on voter turn out.

"We think this is going to be a razor thin election. We think this will be decided by a few hundred votes on either side," said Connolly.

"Ultimately, in a race like this, the decisive factor is who comes out to the polls," said Mutty.

Tom

I will speak and reply to the religious views expressed on Question 1. According to Thomas Aquinas, the highest law was divine law, God’s law. Second place was natural law, which includes thunderstorms, and our right to shield children from poisonous ideas, and so on. Third and last place was human law. Let me make a playing card analogy. Divine law is an ace. Natural law is a king. The bill of rights (human law) is a lousy queen. This “Thomist” hierarchy of laws is so far from being ridiculous that I rarely meet anybody who does not believe in it right down to their deepest core. Everybody knows that there are laws with more grandeur than those which have been debated and printed in our books of laws. The trouble, and it is big, is there is so little agreement as to how these grander laws are worded. Theologians, both historical and local, can give us hints of the wording, but it has always taken a dictator or monarch to set them in stone. A man who had been a mere corporal in the army did that for Germany and then for all of Europe, you may remember. Catholic monarchs King Ferdinand II and Queen Isabella, set out to eliminate heresy in their kingdom. In 1478, with permission from Pope Sixtus IV, they formed the Spanish Inquisition to identify and punish Catholic heretics. rThere was nothing these people did not know about divine and natural law. They had fistfuls of aces and kings to play. Meanwhile, over on this side of the Atlantic, in the State of Maine, we are not playing with a full deck. Because of our Constitution, the highest card anyone can play is a lousy queen, contemptible human law. Having said that, I am proud of the fact that card has been so good for so long. The American Civil Liberties Union goes to court to insist that our government officials be guided by nothing grander than human law. The minute a government person or agency plops down an ace or king, there they are, and lucky for us, you may remember. Cannot we as Maine citizens hunger for at least a little natural law? Can't we learn from nature at least, without being burdened by another person's idea of God? Sure. Blueberries never harmed anyone, nor the birds and bees, and not milk. God is unknowable, but nature is present and informs us every day. What has she told us so far? That blacks are obviously inferior to whites, for one thing, and intended for menial work on white man’s terms. This was once a clear lesson from nature- we should remind ourselves of that from time to time. It allowed Thomas Jefferson to own slaves. Imagine that. What is most uncomfortable about my lovely state is that its children are not taught that their freedom will vanish, if, when they grow up and in the exercise of their duties as voting citizens, they may insist that our laws, courts, and policemen be guided by divine or natural law. For the believers and leaders of such out there, I am not saying our government is (or should be) anti-nature and anti-God. I just think it is non-nature and non-God, for very good reasons that could curl your hair. You remember. Well, all good things must come to an end. How will it end? As all freedoms end. They will end when we surrender our future to the highest laws. Yes, to the holders of the Ace of Spades. Vote no on question #1. Everyone must be treated equally under the state and U.S. Constitution. Denying civil marriage rights to same-sex couples violates that decent, and yes, human, law. Now you remember.

November 1, 2009 at 3:15 PM
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Fred

Way to go Charlie! Its about time that somebody told them the way it really is. These folk that say they have Jesus and CAN EMBRACE Homosexuality have received a LIE FROM SATAN. They have turned the love of God into a mockery. Truly its no different than the day of Sodom and Gomorah

November 1, 2009 at 9:13 AM
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Tony

There are more passages condoning slavery (OWNING people) than those condemning homosexuality. Look at the original translations of the 10 commandments. Slavery is mentioned numerous times, yet NEVER condemned. The Confederacy used the bible to justify its position on slavery. Even Catholic popes in history accepted slaves as gifts. My point stands. The bible is wrong to condemn homosexuality, just as it is wrong to promote slavery.

October 31, 2009 at 10:37 PM
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Tony

You are so wrapped up in the justification of your ideology that the hypocrisy of your position eludes you. There is NOTHING on any state statute that requires a consideration of children or procreation in a marriage, straight, gay or otherwise. Marriage has been established as a civil right by SCOTUS. Civil rights are not subject to determination based on any idealistic parameter. Gays deserve equal access to the same civil rights as straight. It's that simple.

October 31, 2009 at 10:28 PM
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John Howard

Did anyone see the BABIES WITHOUT MEN OR WOMEN? headline of DrudgeReport yesterday? It was about research at Stanford into stem cell derived gametes. One of the implications of this work is that same-sex couples could have biological children together, if one of them has artificial gametes made from their skin cells. Making a sperm for a woman or an egg for a man would require changing the genes genetic imprinting, so allowing it would be opening the door to all forms of genetic engineering and putting the right to use our own genes at risk. We can't decide the questions separately without stripping conception rights from marriage. However we decide same-sex procreation, we should decide same-sex marriage. In the meantime, we can have Civil Unions defined as "marriage minus conception rights" so that same-sex couples can achieve equal protections in all other areas, while still preserving every marriage's conception rights and everyone's right to marry.

October 31, 2009 at 8:32 PM
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jerry

To the Xtians, it is an ACT of hate, not the repressed feeling you have, that says that you are hateful.

October 30, 2009 at 2:53 PM
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Franc

Instead of spreading money to oppose gay marriage, the Catholic Church should use its funds to pay damages to all those young men who were abused by their priests. Perhaps if gays are treated with respect and allowed to marry, many of them won't be conflicted and won;t rush to the Catholic Church to become priests who molest young boys because they are repressing their sexuality.

October 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM
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Steve

Harsh Words: Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. recompence of their error which was meet.

October 30, 2009 at 2:10 PM
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Steve

Mr. C, If you hold to your argument that Christains have a scripture based obligation to oppose gay marriage then you have to allow Christians the "scripture based" right to 1) kill their children when they misbehave, 2) subordinate their wives, 3)stone prostitutes, 3)disallow people to eat beef, etc., etc., etc. You also have allowed a justification for muslims to fulfil their "scripture based" obligation to kill infidels.

October 30, 2009 at 1:38 PM
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Mr. C

Why do so many gay marriage advocates misconstrue Christian opposition to gay marriage as an attack on people who identify themselves as gay? The off-repeated mantra is that Christians must accept gay marriage or they somehow violate the Christian principle of love toward all mankind. Nothing can be further from the truth. In fact, good Christians have a scripture-based obligation to oppose gay marriage. Doing so does not mean that Christians hate those who self identify as gay or lesbian. The truth is, you would be hard pressed to find a gay marriage advocate who returns Christian love to his opponent in the gay marriage debate. I would like someone to answer my question.

October 30, 2009 at 12:21 PM
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Domino

The money the Catholic Church is spending could have gone toward their own congregations and kept the churches that they are closing due to "lack of funds" alive.

October 30, 2009 at 11:57 AM
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Richard

Is that what is says on the Statue of Liberty? I can't remember??? hmmm Maybe it's hateful white hood wearing people like you that should live somewhere else.

October 30, 2009 at 11:38 AM
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Tony David

As a Christian, what is worse - a sexual act or not believing in Christ? The same consideration and respect extended to other religions should also be extended to the gay community. It is not so different than honoring another American's freedom in his or her pursuit of religion. Gays have far less choice in their orientation than others do with choice of religion.

October 30, 2009 at 11:32 AM
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Tony David

The bible is wrong to condemn homosexuality, just as it is wrong to promote slavery.

October 30, 2009 at 11:29 AM
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Steve

Let's be real. The reason that gays have become so flamboyant is because they need to show their unity in any way they can. Some have taken it to a point of bad conduct as people in any group may do. My advice to all who are anti-gay is; just don't let it intimidate you so. If you really want to make your christian point show respect, tolerance and acceptance instead of distain. It's just not so that children need a mother and father to raise them; they NEED two people who love them. As a matter of fact they need many people who can love them and protect them from people that would do them physical harm. As I said before in a joking way, people are naturally drawn to the opposite sex and that can't be "brainwashed" away. Science has proven that there are not just males and females born of human beings, there ARE people that are cross gender. Is this God's mistake? If everyone would just treat each other with respect and love there would be so many fewer problems in this world. We really should worry about people that have to go to sleep at night hungry or people who are sick getting the medical attention they need and stop trying to define who has the right to marry who.

October 30, 2009 at 11:00 AM
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Flanoggin

Um----so you KNOW Jesus is real, and you KNOW gays aren't born that way----hmmm...well----comforting to know-----is this from personal experience? Have you seen Jesus? Are you an ex-gay? When you are judged, I hope god is kind....

October 30, 2009 at 10:22 AM
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Derek

I love these people who try to say Romans 1:26-27 says homosexuality is wrong. Idiiots. This set of verses is about idol worship. The context of the verses is not a discussion of the morality of homosexual relationships. The apostle Paul does not start the verses by saying, “Men having sex with men is a sin.” He starts the passage by talking about people who refuse to worship God. The chain of events is that the people know God, but refuse to worship the True God. Then they make images of animals and worship those animals. As a result of their idol worship, God allows them to become express their worship of other gods by engaging in homosexual acts in temples built to glorify pagan gods. But hey, you're conservative right, government sholdn't be limiting right. That's religions job.

October 30, 2009 at 9:49 AM
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October 30, 2009 at 9:47 AM
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adam

I think God's judgement will come much sooner... look at all the wicked pastors and Christians there are spreading the "love" of Christ. As Christians we may want to look at how we act and respond.

October 30, 2009 at 8:35 AM
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Jay

hey moses and all you GOD sent people.........your so hot to trot on God...God creates us all number one...number two this bull shyt bout Catholic...my dang neighbor is a purebred catholic who attends church all the time and isn't against u.....stop trying to use God as your excuse for being close minded....now thats a sin...using God as your excuse because your insecure to the fact just maybe it takes different people to run this world....its like a fashion trend to you....if someone's not wearing khaki pants because everyone else is they're the oddball out only difference is this time...is there's A LOT of us and not just one or two people in a group.....get over it.....grow up......respect God by knowing who our creator is....he wouldn't create us and make us who we are....if he didn't want it.....didn't u all go through the same haywire about blacks? because it didn't say in the bible or some bunch of bull shyt reasons and excuses u had that blacks were to be treated sinfully and cruel...HELLO PEOPLE WAKE THE HECK UP GET A LIFE.....blacks, homosexuals, women...heterosexuals.....live your own life stay out of everyone else's...no one else would like it if the world came out reversed and homosexuality was what it all started out to be...would u like it if we walked around going OMG THOSE STRAIGHT COUPLES U SEE AROUND HERE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO MARRY!!...OMG THEY ARE SICK AND DISGUSTING THEY COULD RUIN EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD......p.s......as far as families go.....is it homosexuals who leave the kids in welfare? NOPE DON'T THINK SO.....its the homosexuals who give children a loving home that the straight people can't seem to make a good home for....anyway whatever to people maybe someday those of you who are so close minded.....will stop.....the world would be a better place......p.s........anymore using God for an excuse u can think of? oh and God loves all his children no matter what remember he died at the cross for us....so that should cover the rest of it.

October 30, 2009 at 8:34 AM
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